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Mideo Cruz’s work “Poleteismo,” which was exhibited at the Cultural Center of the Philippines, has polarized public opinion so sharply that any commentary, if it is to have any value, is expected to weigh in on the pressing question of who is right and who is wrong. I hope that some room can be made for a non-moral, non-legal and non-aesthetic appraisal that looks at this controversy as symptomatic of the structural and semantic shifts that our society is undergoing in its transition to modernity.

Let us briefly review the current shape of the debate. On one side are those who strongly feel that Cruz has overstepped the limits of his rights as an artist by portraying symbols venerated in Christianity in a highly disrespectful and mocking manner. On the other side are those who believe that Cruz is well within his constitutional rights as an artist to express his ideas as he sees fit, and that the CCP is to be applauded for giving him space in accordance with its mandate to promote art. Still others argue that “Poleteismo” is mediocre art that relies on shock effect to call attention to itself, and that it does not deserve to be exhibited at the CCP.

How does one make sociological sense of this controversy? The work in question is a small part of the exhibit “Kulo” that was mounted by alumni artists of the University of Santo Tomas to mark the 150th birth anniversary of Jose Rizal. Cruz takes up as his subject the growing diversity in the values of our people. This “polytheism,” as he rightly calls it, is represented by the absurd juxtaposition of the things we desire, admire, worship, patronize or fear. In this cultural collage of new and old icons, the authority of religion is interrogated, if not entirely displaced, by the fetishism of consumer goods and the cult of power and celebrity. A work like this succeeds to the extent that it is able to draw viewers into a sustained contemplation that, in the best encounters with art, triggers a questioning of the viewer’s own sensibility. But “Poleteismo’s” theme is probably one of the most common in the art world. So conventional is it that the biggest challenge for the artist is probably how to avoid the clichés that obstruct intuition.

Art is a distinct form of communication that occupies an important place in evolving societies like ours. Of all the domains of human communication, it is probably the most vulnerable to interference by the other social spheres. Its struggle for autonomy has been a difficult one. In the old societies, it could only flourish by becoming the servant of the monarchy and the church. In modern society, it is usually powerless to resist the dictates of the market. It can hardly protect itself from the whims of political power. And indeed it has had a hard time standing above the moral squabbles of any given period.

Yet what art does for society is at least as important as politics, religion, science, law or the economy. Its function is to express meanings through images and representations that cannot easily be captured or rendered in ordinary language. It is able to do this by an act of intuition, through which it unmasks the “illusionism of the world” and transcends what is immediately given in perception. In this sense, it “irritates” (to borrow a term from Niklas Luhmann) the forms of life that we create for ourselves by framing and holding them up for scrutiny in the light of what is possible.

Like any other subsystem in modern society, art performs its social function best when it can create and sustain itself guided solely by its own unique code. This suggests a duty to preserve and fortify whatever autonomy it enjoys in society. In societies like ours that are in transition between the old and the new, art’s place is far from secure. It sometimes finds itself risking hard-won positions in brief skirmishes, instead of preparing for a long-term war of survival. This happens because, in self-defense, art tends to close itself to what is happening in the other systems of society. It knows very well how to irritate them, but it is usually oblivious of what these other systems can do to disrupt its operations.

It is good for the art system to invoke constitutional guarantees for freedom of expression. But, it cannot hope to secure its autonomy by free-riding on the legal system. Even judges are swayed by public opinion. How much freedom an artist can exercise is ultimately a political question. And, on this issue, going by what our political leaders have said so far, it does not seem as if they are taking a liberal view of the matter.

Thus, we can appreciate Richard A. Posner’s caution against what he terms “rights fetishism”—in which “(R)ights, particularly constitutional rights, are treated as Platonic forms, universalized and eternalized, or as trumps that take every trick no questions asked, rather than as tools of government subject to the usual trade-offs …”

Art in our society has little choice but to patiently carve out a place for itself in a social environment that still regards artworks as marginal to human communication. A good part of this effort entails knowing how to balance assertion and restraint while strengthening its authority within its own domain. This rule of thumb applies to the other systems as well, including the more established ones—religion, politics, the mass media, law, the economy, etc. Their autonomy ultimately rests on their ability to position themselves in a differentiated society without provoking concerted intervention from the others.

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  • Anonymous

    I sometimes we think we are too smart for our own good. We over think things and can discussed things to death without resolving anything useful for ourselves. So in this particular case we debate about art and the extent of freedom that should be allowed a guy like mr. Cruz to exercise his art. WE cannot even agree as to what is offensive for us as a people in general! we are that pathetic. We cannot simplify things like for example in Singapore they find no value for chewing gums but all the trouble it caused and so they ban it. We mocked their rigidity and flaunt our freedom here but guess whose society is functioning better and whose people are better served? We are a Catholic country with a long history of that. Our traditions and culture are anchored on these teachings and norms. Now we are still debating whether an artist can put condoms and penis on Jesus’ face? What idiocy is this?So one man’s freedom is better served than 80 millions or so religious sensitivities? Even in mathematics it does not make sense….1 against 80 millions….hmmmm….So what is next? Jesus having sex with Mary? or for this more liberal times the trio in orgy with Joseph…Whose to stop that?  Please let us stop being stupid and loquacious with our stupidity. What Mr. Cruz did was wrong. End of discussion.

  • lucidlynx

    You started with us being “too smart for our own good” and ended by telling us to “stop being stupid”. You are contradicting even yourself.

    And you said 1 against 80 million (you don’t say millions because you already have 80 before it and that already makes it a number), which is an exaggeration. If so, why make a big fuss? It’s just a work of one man. Surely, your faith is not in danger with your claim of 1 against 80 million.

    And you ask which society is functioning better, Singapore’s or ours? But that is only one example. Why not the USA vs ours, or France vs ours, etc.? And if you want rigidity, why not China vs our society? Besides, in Singapore, a similar event like Mideo’s exhibit won’t raise a howl of protest because the Singapore government won’t allow it and will put people in jail if they do protest. Would you want that to happen in the Philippines?

  • Anonymous

    We protest too much. 

  • abmatibay

    Tapos na ito eh…Bakit nyo ba itinigil CCP ang exhibit, hindi naman gobyerno ang nag pressure sa inyo?

    Tapos saka kayo iyak ng iyak sa news.

    Malaya kayo…there is no question on that.

    Marami ding tao na malayang magalit na sinukuan nyo, tapos iyak kayo ng iyak.

    End this.

  • Rey Doroja

    no need to debate with cruz fanatics.they are blinded by their own sense of what is good or not. waste of time debating with people who think they are the only ones who are liberated/liberal-minded,with aesthetic sense, with the courage to fight for freedom of expression,etc.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PU3BIXSWEA3D6PXSZRKUT2FB5I Mija

    Kudos.

  • Anonymous

    With extremism, Mideo made it more difficult to defend freedom in all forms. For his actions teach only one thing: the more obscene you get, the more you get protected. Just as Al Qaida would want us to understand, ours is a marketplace of ideas in which those who are marginalized, those whose rights are in need of protection have taken a path of destruction if only to sell grotesque forms. Mideo had to destroy art in order to make us think about his art. In the same vein, extremists and fundamentalists could only muster one language: the language of violence just so their views are heard. The libertarians among us are quick to remind others the need to protect the rights of the likes of Mideo for fear that other civil rights might be curtailed if we let Mideo alone with his poor taste. But one thing they forget: the more you defend a thing, the more it gets attacked and the very people you defend are the first to abuse it.For they think that the world owes them a place at the top. Mideo and his ilk are riding on this seeming wave of protests about civil liberties at risk. Say that again? Out at risk by whom for whom and for what?The other thing they forget: with moderation and rationality, there is no need to protect our civil liberties. But this is like day dreaming. People are quick to take extrerme positions and the middle ground is always the first to be trampled upon. therefore the greatest risk is for those who see the middle path of moderation and restraint. They are the ones who get trampled upon by both extremes. If they complain of poor taste they get branded as clerical fascists. If they tolerate obscenity, they get lumped with the likes of Mideo. Those who are integral thinkers and who can weigh the issues rationally are the ones who see the fallacies and irrational thoughts of the opposite extremes who are usually the loudest. And they suffer for it greatly. I would submit that those who are following the path of moderation, good taste and rationality are the ones needing protection, not Mideo. For if the world is left to the extremists, there will be none left to pick up the pieces. As one writer once said: “they all killed one another and they call it peace”.

  • http://twitter.com/sassymammy sgarcia

    And when the intention of the artist is to provoke? 

  • Anonymous

    I think people are becoming stupid because of the too many teachings of religion. People are practising too much religious activities more than the time they are supposed to give for science and math which is the real solution to progress and to solving the poverty in the country.

    I have nothing against religion or the practise of it as long as the benefits outweigh the negative like in the case of Buddhism. However, as a true rational, logical, and educated person; as another 1 against 80 million, I can say that our religion (I was manipulated by my parents to become Roman Catholic) is one of the causes why the Philippines is not progressing and not becoming competitive globally.

    What Mr. Cruz did is an eye opener on how the Spaniards badly use the religion to tame and control us, on how many educational institution are using religion as an excuse for not paying taxes, on how individuals are using it for aquiring wealth, and as how politicians are constantly trying to use this as a medium to get support from the public. I think what Mr. Cruz did was right. 

  • Anonymous

    Really?, as if economic prosperity is the bottom line of all human desires and happiness….  Why do rich countries possess a higher rate of suicide than a poor country like us> it goes to show that economic prosperity is not what makes them happy…. Religion does. and if you blame the RCC for bringing our country to poverty, you better think again. We are one of the riches countries in Asia until 1950′s… So you think the Church has something to do with our decline when in fact the CHurch has been with us in the philippines for almost 500 years?

  • Anonymous

    Precisely why I have often said that the proper attitude of the catholic church should be to publicly voice it’s objection… and that’s it.  Giving any more is to give him the attention he wants.

  • Guest

    Mr. Cruz’s phallic art will no doubt receive warm welcome at Amsterdam Damrak’s Sex Museum. It is exactly the kind of art the museum needs to attract clientele-unique, eccentric, and dirty.  People pay 4 euros to get in to see on purpose shocking, outrageous, outlandish & perverted sexual art forms.  Muffled sounds of screams of women in ecstasy blared through hidden speakers heightens the sensual experience as you browse around. If a small phallus in Mr. Cruz’s irreverent art had offended you, wait till  two big erect plastic phalluses greet you as you enter a room.

    The Sex Museum continues to entertain locals and tourists no matter how perverted & offensive the exhibits may look. Since its founding some twenty years ago, the exhibits have not been violated even by the conservative European Christian/Catholics who have the more reason to get outraged. People here in this part of the world seems more tolerant and a little more permissive.  And they are not squeamish. The Netherlands has the happiest, healthiest, and the richest people on earth. And they could be all these things, yet remain completely amoral !

    As Mr. David says we have much more social evolving to do. And I believe it !

  • http://twitter.com/borivC borivC

    The KULO exhibit could have posted “For Matured
    Audience Only” so as not to blown this issue into a large proportion.
    Well, better for Mideo’s profile. He is now a celebrated icon of a kind.
    Viewing a piece of artwork may perk-up depth of insignts specially for art
    enthusiasts, offend, shock and even maligned viewers on the subject being
    viewed. We can only determine the intention of the artist in so far as his/her
    opus depicts meaning that somehow subscribe to our thinking or otherwise. Art
    that not only pleases us but sometimes attacks our level of sanity. If it
    pleases us- ok it’s a good piece of work. Again, it depends on our convention
    or norms. The presentation of Mideo may be truly offensive and shocking but
    that’s what he wants to convey. It’s probably his narcissistic approach to
    portray the modern Pharisees, its 
    hypocrisy, narrow-mindedness and one tract mind  that angered the Catholic hierarchy. The
    saying ” bato-bato sa langit, ang
    tamaan, buti nga sayo, pasenya ka” is true to its form.

  • http://twitter.com/borivC borivC

    The KULO exhibit could have posted “For Matured Audience Only” so as not to blown this issue into a large proportion.Well, better for Mideo’s profile. He is now a celebrated icon of a kind.Viewing a piece of artwork may perk-up depth of insignts specially for artenthusiasts, offend, shock and even maligned viewers on the subject beingviewed. We can only determine the intention of the artist in so far as his/her
    opus depicts meaning that somehow subscribe to our thinking or otherwise. Art that not only pleases us but sometimes attacks our level of sanity. If it pleases us- ok it’s a good piece of work. Again, it depends on our convention or norms. The presentation of Mideo may be truly offensive and shocking but that’s what he wants to convey. It’s probably his narcissistic approach to portray the modern Pharisees, its 
    hypocrisy, narrow-mindedness and one tract mind  that angered the Catholic hierarchy. The saying ” bato-bato sa langit, ang tamaan, buti nga sayo, pasenya ka” is true to its form.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5OC4T6FDZYN5RCVEAFH2YBMNSM Don

    Art is ruled by emotion, that’s how it is. Unless it’s regulated by standards of society, it’s nothing more than the expression of raw, unmitigated burst of desire.

    Thus, society will judge it according to how it is presented. Consequently, the artist as the medium of art, would incur the appreciation or the ire of the body politic.

  • Anonymous

    This is not about religion. It is sensitivity to other people's sensibilities. Ganun lang ka simple yun. Walang bastusan hindi ba? Kung ikaw kaya o tatay mu gawan ng ganun art? Regarding the religion being our stumbling block to progress that is another issue altogether. Hindi porke may issue ka against someone or something okay lang na bastusin nato. Just imagine how our society will function if all of us can just say and do and show what we want for art's sake in the guise of whatever noble intentions we can make up. There is a limit to everything. A line should be drawn somewhere. Otherwise it will just be pure chaos. You may think what Mr. Cruz did was right but unfortunately the majority were outraged. Ngayun kung ipipilit niyo ang gusto niyo sa nakakarami e puede din ipilit ng madami ang gusto njila sa mas kakaunti. Respetuhan lang po. Walang bastusan. That is why i don't think much of Mr. Cruz's "ART" really…putting a penis here, condom there…i mean where is the imagination in that? any retard can do that much…and apparently one just did.

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  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7FV62LWPVBLISEP54SNWH7AHJM Miguel Marang

    If we will always try to rationalize that art has its own domain and should be given freedom, where do we begin? Should we not start from the obvious basis?

    For me, the first is impression. What did Mideo Cruz’s artwork give as its first impression? For a person who saw a male sex organ on the face of a icon revered by believers as that of Jesus Christ, a divine person, and known by non-Christians and atheists as one of the most influential persons ever alive in history, the first impression is one of shock.

    Then, secondarily, shock sets in the brain as resentment and, at the very least, an impression that whoever did this has hatred in his heart on the person represented by that icon.

    Thirdly, the person now examines further the details on the artwork. In this third stage of the mental process viewing the ‘artwork’, the person behaves if he is of the type who sees art in the artwork or if he is of the type who sees nonsense on the collage. There are no standards to characterize if a person is a lover of art or a fake.

    Finally, I would say that art has no domain. If it is a product of a freedom of expression, it is also a product of an orphan who is homeless. Art can be visualized to belong to anyone who adopts it as his own and takes him home to his abode. Those who abandon the ‘artwork’ and leave it behind after examining it cannot also be called a “non-artist” for even self-proclaimed artists have different interpretations of the same  collage. What appears to be a bandwagon of national artists and ‘art lovers’ in defense of Mideo Cruz was and is simply a show of support for their career and ideology  But, had this controversy not happen, the same people in this bandwagon would disagree with each other, that I can bet anyone..

  • http://twitter.com/attytoby Elich Ramirez

    all these art eks eks and religion eks eks cloud the main and true issue: “rights should be exercised in a way that will not step on the rights of others”. if a person will surely get irked seeing the face of his mother sporting a penis, with more reason will a catholic, who in his purest form should venerate his god more than his mother, be rightfully offended.

  • Anonymous

    Even the freest society, you can see regulations. You can see constraints, control.

    Filipinos really stupid to think, if they have freedom, they can do anything they wanted. They have freedom to exploit their natural resources, but later they suffer the destructive consequences like floods and massive landslides.

    Filipino artists think, they have freedom to express everything they wanted in the form of art, if you called that art. But at what consequences? To stir anger because of these function to irritate.

    As I have said, if you think you can mock a certain culture or group of people because of their belief and tradition, if they kill you, beheaded you, your freedom will not guarantee you to save your soul, and even your desire to stir massive action against your advocacy of freedom to express. That is simply stupidity, simply moron views of complex understanding of human culture.

    They said, its complicated. Really complicated if you have no sense of respect.

  • Anonymous

    I know that Professor David is saying something very important here.

  • Anonymous

    the constitutional right to expression especially in the form of art is still to vague.

    there’s still no boundary on what is acceptable or not

    but then, we are in a society where religion is one of those which we value most

    even if art is an expression of one’s own emotion there should indeed be a balance of assertion and restraint

  • Anonymous

    when the intention is to provoke…then be ready for the consequences. puede ka mabatukan…masuntok..masipa…masaksak o mabaril…not necessarily in that order. hehehe.

  • Anonymous

    if only he could tell us exactly what it is……haha

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_AWBXKC5VDRRH5PIOIO47JRMCBA mike

    i guess just_the_guy and alanco missed  the point!!! i guess some people need to do more research and needs an open mind to be able to absorb it! 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_2HWJ3QXPHMTOEYKRARI4JJHEEI Blue

    art shakes and rocks.

    Even Christ himself rocks and shakes the Roman Empire. Socrates did the same in hellenistic world. His “Know Thyself” is considered affront to the “intellects” of his society. Rizal’s Noli and El Fili also shake and rock the Spanish Friars. Charles Darwin’s Origin of Species and Galileo’s confirmation of heliocentric theory  also suffered the same fate.

    Stop the bigotry!

    Art communicates, the artist being the communicator. So, understand the piece in accord to this intention and representation. Viewer’s interpretation or sensitivity maybe considered but should not be a ground to ban the exhibition. This is censorship or suppression.

    Art should be freed, its limit, i believe, is that when it started to inflict physical harm to the viewer. Sensitivity is very subjective. The fact that some people are not offended, that’s enough reason not to censor it. On the contrary, because of the diversity of reactions, it becomes more compelling to exhibit it.  

  • Anonymous

    if we take off Jesus image from the equation. and say Mr. Cruz did his art to say Madam Gloria Macapagal Arroyo. Would that make it alright? I am one of those GMA haters (if there is such a group) but i still think it would cross a line. This is not about religion or even art. At its simplest core this is about respect for other people’s feelings and sensibilites. sa Tagalog…Wala Naman Bastusan. Lumagay tayo sa tama at maayos ang mundo. May tamang pamamaraan ang lahat ng bagay. That is why i do not think much of Mr. Cruz so called art. really? putting phallus and condoms on an image…where is the creativity? where is the imagination? where is the art? There is no da vinci code here nothing to analyze really. Now if he is able to make out vaguely Jesus’ face from a pile of used condoms scattered on a canvas with real semens dripping as blood …That would be art!  But prepared to be shot the very next day.

  • Anonymous

    Inggit ka lang.

  • Anonymous

    If the gay community complains that they are offended by the RCC
    teaching that they are sinful wretches leading immoral lives and will burn with hellfire for all eternity, would the RCC stop or amend its preaching with regards to gays?

    C’mon, why the double-standard?

  • Anonymous

    Tell me people, why is this girl Anne Curtis allowed to wear virtually only panties on Showtime in front of a giggling live young audience and nobody is complaining? Who said I am complaining?

  • Anonymous

    alanco, I understand where you’re coming from, but, we cannot protect freedom of speech and expression if the sole criteria is we do not offend one another. Even the RCC teachings and dogmas offend some people.

    It’s simple – don’t want to be offended, don’t go to the CCP to be offended. Don’t even look at it. If I don’t want to be offended by Jinggoy’s movies which are insults to everyone’s intelligence, I just don’t go see it.

  • Anonymous

    Pedronimo, the RCC clergy would have seen Anne Curtis either as:
    A. Obscence and lewd exhibitionism that corrupts young people’s minds.
    B. A magnificent example of God’s creation in all its glory.

    Apparently, they chose “B”.
    Nag-enjoy eh.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Allan-Panganiban/100000490501781 Allan Panganiban

    Biblically speaking, creation of graven images itself is mockery of the being of the God who created the heaven and the earth. To the real and true Christian church in the bible (which we believe we affiliated with), this art exhibition has no bearing at all on the spiritual sense of religion as portrayed in the bible itself. In other words, kahit bastusin natin ang mga imahe na gawa ng kamay ng tao, walang bearing ung sa Dios at sa mga taong tunay na nagsasa-Dios dahil kasuklam-suklam nga sa Dios ang gumawa ng mga larawang inanyuan upang sambahin. This images portrayed in the exhibition should serve as an eye opener to us Filipinos that graven images itself is a form of mockery to the spiritual God who created heaven and earth. Let’s think about it!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Christian-Henry-Lacson/1399484890 Christian Henry Lacson

    why should they feel offended? some gays really live a very immoral life, although not all of them. the problem with you people is that you try to generalize. i know several gay persons who are very dignified and respectable in their own way. being gay doesnt mean you have to dress-up like a woman, it simply doesnt fit. being gay doesnt mean you have to be vulgar, it’s simply not right. respect is “earned” not “demanded”. people will either respect you or curse you depending on your actions, whether you are gay or lesbian or straight doesnt really matter. people will not disrespect you by simply being gay, it is the actions that matters.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Christian-Henry-Lacson/1399484890 Christian Henry Lacson

    why should freedom of expression outweigh our culture and social responsibilities?? there is no point in defending an artwork that even non-christians like me sees as a corruption to our society. our social responsibilty to preserve our culture and the young must have greater weight over the caprice of anyone trying to ride on freedom of expression to mask their lewdness.

  • Anonymous

    Ah sir, like sa Roman Catholic church, feeling mo rin lang na yung simbahan mo yung “real and true Christian church in the bible”. Pwede ba. Enough with the “high and mighty” style of criticisms. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Christian-Henry-Lacson/1399484890 Christian Henry Lacson

    ako wala akong pakialam kahit anung gawin nila sa mga imaheng yan, but i do care if my child sees an “artwork” with a dick sticking out of the nose of a portrait, whoever may be in that portrait. lewd artwork shouldnt be on public display.

  • John

    So that goes with disrespect for Moslems, Hindus, Buddhists, etc.

    But please dont insist and accuse that RC are worshopping  idols.  You are ignorant of the RC religion, so please dont make accusations that you are not familiar.  Or it is just one of your ways of recruitment to your church.  I just know why there is a thousands of Christian churches with different jumbled names…. most of them are after the monthly financial subsidies/grants given by their sponsoring foreign counterparts.   Mostly,  they receive USD 1,000. Yes, because if you attached to one established Christian church, some of the amount could be allocated to the higher church.

    You could not say that it has no bearing to the spiritual sense of religion… because it touches on pictures and images which we RC venerates.  How would it look if we do that to the pictures of your pastor, your grandpa/grandma, your mother/father, to Jose Rizal, or whoever you respect?  Will you feel good?  This is not on who is the best religion here, because no religion can save your soul. It is just simple RESPECT.

    Btw, you must be thankful of the RC, if not for their trailblazing, pagano ka pa sana ngayon o isa nang Muslim.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_AWBXKC5VDRRH5PIOIO47JRMCBA mike

    nowhere_to_be_found,
               seems to me that you need to be re-educated!! art is to illicit critical thinking. every artist’s creation is affected by his environment. he/she would re-create an art that will respond to his beliefs. if it affected you, then well and good. remember its a response to a “crisis”. just as a political philosopher will come out of ideas as a response to what he/she thinks fit/suit the political situation

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cheri-Reyes/727592678 Cheri Reyes

    Just a thought- what if, suddenly, I wake up one day with the insight of a visual artist and did the same as Mideo would I be defended by artists or simply ignored bec. I am not an artist anyway and therefore my work is not necessarily art. Curious thing, having the label “artist”.  

    I suspect that Mideo saw this coming. When one writes a poem or paints, he deals with his most intimate thoughts and blurts it out for the whole world to see. That people respond to it fiercely is not shocking at all. I can’t help wonder why Abrera said she was shocked by the “intensity and depth” of the Catholic response. Don’t we know enough about our culture and people to be shocked by this kind of response?

    This will all pass.  Sad thing is if we call each other stupid, ignorant, bigots, hypocrites.  At this point these labels seem to apply to everyone.  I wonder what the artist is thinking about now that his “art” has stirred such a strong reaction. Perhaps, the reaction would inform his “art” what it is that other people care about (no, not just posters of Jesus). People care about images and more….   Otherwise even art would be irrelevant. And those who just curse the “Church” for its reaction and not really, really understand the people who actually reacted to it…well, they are just as guilty.

  • http://twitter.com/hustlergalore hustlergalore

    whoa. the filipinos were not rich. it is the priests and the government people that were rich during the spaniards.

  • http://twitter.com/punctuationmarc Marc Anthony Biay

    It was placed in an art gallery, not inside a mall.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cheri-Reyes/727592678 Cheri Reyes

    That’s not looking at the big picture, actually.  How come we keep dragging Spaniards in debates like this?  You’re attacking a kid because of the transgression of a relative?  or something like that. Somebody mentioned “right fetishism” but forgot there’s “left fetishism” as well. And “fetishism” with anti-religious sentiments, too”

  • John

    bro, i could not understand your  point here

    there had been no flipflopping ever on RCC church stand.
    their stand on reproductive health had been the same as before.
    other christian church had the same stand before, but due to society pressure had change their stand.

    there had been no discrimination ever on gays, or whatever sex,  not on the person. its the sinful practices that are committed that they are against.  a sin is a sin, whether you are gay, male, female. there are a lot of gay parishioners who are serving the church.

  • http://twitter.com/punctuationmarc Marc Anthony Biay

    So you are implying that all the Roman Catholic Church has done is well and good? Just what to expect from a “typical” Catholic.

  • http://twitter.com/punctuationmarc Marc Anthony Biay

    From a superficial perspective, all that is visible is lewdness. And people are afraid to look beyond that lewdness because what they see is but the reflection of themselves, worshiping consumerism and venerating the wrong things.

  • John

    Yes, art is limitless.  but there should be responsible art.

    btw, as our national artists say, his work was not art.

    if u say that it is art, then my 7-yr old child is an artist.

  • http://twitter.com/punctuationmarc Marc Anthony Biay

    Anne Curtis doesn’t have a penis, ergo she is not offensive. The CBCP and Sen. Jinggoy are offended only with penises.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Christian-Henry-Lacson/1399484890 Christian Henry Lacson

    i know, dont try to impose a smarter than thou attitude to me. i never said it was in a mall in the first place. i said ” public display” for CCP is funded by “public funds”. think before you post, being sarcastic wont work here.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Aurelio-Rodriguez/100001713670196 Aurelio Rodriguez

    It’s not about offending others. it’s about respect for others. Art like Ideas when it no longer has respect for the person becomes insult, discrimination, injury and etc… We can not continue to lean on the excuse of freedom of expression and speech to bring ahead our ideas just because we can and without care for how we will affect others. Remember that a lot of terrible and even horrible things happened because of this way of thinking. Freedom calls for respect too, respect for other peoples freedom and person. I do agree that the reactions of SOME Catholics, remember that we must never generalize, was uncalled for. There should have been dialogue instead of just attacking the artist the way it was done. 

    It’s also not just about not being offended. It’s about defending the value of respect and freedom. So even if i’m not offended i should still think of those who were and try to do something about it. Meaning the Catholics who were offended by the work of the artist and the artist who were offended by the reactions of these Catholics. 

    I propose that a dialogue be started between the Church and the World of Art. Stop the attack and the insults. We are human beings capable of understanding and resolving our differences in peace.  

  • John

    ha ha ha ….please do away the negative feeling or moods when you read  a comment. that will make lighter your understanding and more expansive response..peace

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cheri-Reyes/727592678 Cheri Reyes

    I hope you’re not saying that Mideo’s work is better to look at than the just a simple poster of Christ or a sculpture. The bottomline is God looks at our heart and not at our pictures also. But I’m sure it would help if we don’t downgrade ourselves from being “the image and likeness of God”  But I agree with you that God may not be offended but He would be if we continue offending one another…peace

  • http://twitter.com/emigrea anonymouser

    How disappointing, Prof. David. No one needs pure observation in such a backward, unprogressive society like ours with its “fetishism”–to borrow your cited term–for pretensions of democracy. As they say, neutrality and passivity only aid the oppressor.  Not even you are needed to point out that, realistically speaking, ANY right goes only as far as the people around it are willing to allow.  But one of your experience and scholarship WOULD have been needed to point out that such a mentality brings us nowhere ahead of mob rule, the lynch squad, and the tyranny of the majority.  You are, perhaps, just being the social scientist you are by training; and yet how needlessly unlike you to present such non-enlightenment.

    Maybe the discourse is political and legal precisely because the merely empirical is so unproductive, so unconducive to greater things in the life of any society.

  • Anonymous

    Why would you bring your child into an enclosed exhibit with warning signs that it is for mature audience? It’s like bringing your child to an R18 movie.

  • Anonymous

    Fortunately, God is not petty and childish, like some of the people here.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EAUFRN6E4JJ67TDR25KRGR3DFE Zen

    idol ko si randy david kaya lang he tends to talk scholarly. para sa mga ‘di magets si idol, eto lang ang ibig nyang sabihin: 

    “Hoy, Mideo, maghinay-hinay ka.”

  • Anonymous

    Christian Henry, because your definition of what constitutes lewdness, or obscenity, etc… is different from mine, and so on. We do not all think the same. Perhaps what’s funny to you is offensive to me and vice versa. Just like Mideo’s art – to some it is art, to others it’s garbage. Who will draw the line? Nobody can. The danger comes if the government, or a secular / religious organization steps in and becomes the “line drawer”. Because then they will simply use their bias to impose their beliefs on others.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VY25ZOHU3FJFFX6CYSH5W4AX3I sugbu

    let’s just wait for the verdict(Court)…..nobody will relents on an  unarbitrary discussions.I suggest to have a votation of our opinions,let make it simple.

  • Anonymous

    Christian Henry – I am not saying being gay means cross-dressing, etc.. What I mean is simply being “gay”. To some people, it’s genetic and normal. But still for the official Catholic dogma, it is a sin, so people who are gay are immoral. Whether you act and live decent it is irrelevant, to the church – being gay means leading an immoral lifestyle.

  • Anonymous

    there had been no flipflopping ever on RCC church stand.

    =====> Yes there is none.

    their stand on reproductive health had been the same as before.
    other christian church had the same stand before, but due to society pressure had change their stand.

    =====> I am not talking about the RH bill. Please read my post again.

    there had been no discrimination ever on gays, or whatever sex,  not on
    the person. its the sinful practices that are committed that they are
    against.  a sin is a sin, whether you are gay, male, female. there are a
    lot of gay parishioners who are serving the church.

    =====> No, I am referring to the specific teaching that being gay is immoral and sinful. You admit that it is a sinful practice, yes? And anyone who continues to have this sinful practice is immoral, yes? Hence, it may be offensive to the gay community.

    So my point being: We live in a society where it is sometimes unavoidable to offend someone. Live and let live. Why go around wanting to lynch Mideo. Huwag nalang ninyo pansinin. At least you would have exhibited brotherly love.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VY25ZOHU3FJFFX6CYSH5W4AX3I sugbu

    Tama ako….tama kami…tama sila…tama tayo…mali kayo….mali ka….meron ba tayong batas tungkol doon sa ginawa sa Medio na yon ??? Anong nagyari sa sinasampang kaso ??? Ito ang gusto marinig ng karamihan !

  • Anonymous

    mahirap po siguro mr. Rodriguez ang dialogo sa mga taong ito kasi ,simple lang naman ang hinihingi ng mga naoffend ,RESPETO ,marunong din naman kaming humanga sa mga gawa ng mga artist ,bastat ito ay di nakaksira at di nakakapambastos marunong din siempre kaming magbigay ng aming puna, ang problema po sa grupo nina abrera eh wala talaga silang pakiramdam sa damdamin ng ibang tao ang kanila basta magawa yung gusto nila, lumalabas ang pagkamakasarili tapos gagamitin nila ang batas daw na freedom of expression. sana naman po pagbigyan nya din ang ibang tao sakaling pagdating ng araw eh makunan sya ng picture o mienbro ng pamilya nya at lagyan din ng kung anong kabstusan sa mukha nila , na maipakita din sa ccp bilang freedom of expression din, sana wag nya ding gamitin yung limitasyon ng freedom of expression.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VY25ZOHU3FJFFX6CYSH5W4AX3I sugbu

    Si Medio dahil nanakit,dapat maramdaman din niya gaano kasakit….ayon sa batas !

  • Anonymous

    So if they’re offended by penises, they should cut off theirs.
    Eh di naging eunuch.

    he-he, joke lang huwag ma-offend.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Christian-Henry-Lacson/1399484890 Christian Henry Lacson

    did the warnings do any good to their purpose amidst all of the media attention the exhibit was getting? im not always at home babystting my child. i suppose you know how easy it is to use a television? bakit kc alam ng magdudulot ito ng kaguluhan at siguradong magkakaroon ng sobrang media exposure, itinuloy pa rin? anung gagawin ko, alangan pati panonood ng tv ipagbawal ko para lang di makakita ng titi na inilagay sa mukha? now that is in direct prohibiton of our rights. kung gusto niong nakakakita lagi ng kabastusan at gumawa ng kabastusan, wag nakyong mandamay. kung kau ay mga gay na kabilang sa mga bastos at mahilig sa kabastusan, sna tumigil nayo dahil pati mga gay na matitino nadadamay sa kabastusan.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Christian-Henry-Lacson/1399484890 Christian Henry Lacson

    i dont care about any religious sect for as long as theyre not stepping on my rights and the rights of my family. nobody could impose their beliefs on me, i have my own belief and im firm about it. i shunned away from all the religious denominations in this country because all they know is to attack others who doesnt have the same belief as them. lahat pinipilit na sila ang tama, what if none of them was right? and my simple idea of peacefull coexistence and respect for my neighbor is the right one? sa nakikita ko ngaun dipa nmn dumarating sa punto na sila na ang nagdedecide kung anu ang tama at mali para sa lahat, wag tau mag generalize.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Christian-Henry-Lacson/1399484890 Christian Henry Lacson

    i agree of the “relativity” of all human standards, but we have to realize that we are living in a country and an era where the rule of the majority wins. this is very evident even in national elections, di nga bat ang nananalong kandidato e ang ibinoboto ng nkararami? though im against that idea, i have no choice because im with the minority. the difference between us though is that, im trying to live with it, while you are left crying over spilled milk. i know that i cant bring change to this “corrupt system” with only “myself” and “me” as my back-up. this is a bitter truth, yet our lives doesnt end by that fact. im just happy that i can live my life the way i wanted it to be.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Christian-Henry-Lacson/1399484890 Christian Henry Lacson

     i agree of the “relativity” of all human standards, but you we have to realize that we are living in a country and an era where the rule of the majority wins. ethis is very evident even in natuinal elections, di nga bat ang nananalong kandidato e ang ibinoboto ng nkararami? though im against that idea, i have no choice because im with the minority. the difference between us though is that, im trying to live with it, while you are left crying over spilled milk. i know that i cant bring change to this “corrupt system” with only “myself” and “me” as my back-up. this is a bitter truth, yet our lives doesnt end by that fact. im just happy that i can live my life the way i wanted it to be.

  • bila tibay

    Idol worshippers are irritated when their revered images are being used by artist to convey the TRUTH.

    They must open their eyes and accept the truth… that their idols are abomination to God.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VY25ZOHU3FJFFX6CYSH5W4AX3I sugbu

    Medio Cruz was the harbinger of chaos….

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VY25ZOHU3FJFFX6CYSH5W4AX3I sugbu

    Merriam D.Santiago…Under the Penal Code; Abortion is a crime//ergo//Under the Penal Code;Sacrilege is a crime…..How about that….???

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EIJXRSGFNJJCLKAOSMJKHREYIY Phil

    Freedom of expression’s limit is somewhere before license, irresponsibility, and disregard to common sensibilities.

  • http://twitter.com/BrownSEO BrownSEO

    Randy: And then what? You just described the predicament not what should be done haay…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VY25ZOHU3FJFFX6CYSH5W4AX3I sugbu

    Soon,…Medio Cruz and his Kampon are afflicted with Narcissistic Victim Syndrome…but they could not exempts their liabilities by claiming,having this disorder.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VY25ZOHU3FJFFX6CYSH5W4AX3I sugbu

    reddfrog@ kung merong Offense may Defense…kung action-reaction….but when push come to shove..sino ang magtatago sa lungga ng daga ngayon !

  • Rey Doroja

    ganyan ang sagot ng mga talo sa argumento.puro kababawan kasi. sorry di na kita papatulan, sayang oras ko sa yo. kahit bata kaya kang barahin,pang engs mga paghahabi habi mo ng mga salita.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UNH5BQSJ6VAPCPKLLEKZWZWXB4 Nilo Abaya

    Emily Abrera, Raul Sunico, Karen Flores, naloko kayo ni Mideo. Mga
    konyo kasi kayo, hindi nyo alam napaka-ordinaryong ginagawa yan ng mga
    tumatae sa  mga kubeta sa public toilets habang nakaupo sa inidoro. Ngayon
    ay nasa CCP na. Naging art na, freedom of expression pa. Talaga naman.Bwa ha ha ha! 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UNH5BQSJ6VAPCPKLLEKZWZWXB4 Nilo Abaya

    MALI KAYONG LAHAT. MALING MALI
    1. Mideo, hindi yan true art, yan ay KUBETA ART. Araw araw ginagawa yan sa mga kubeta habang tumatae nakaupo sa inidoro
    2. Mga nagproprotesta laban kay Mideo. Pabayaan nyo lang, lalo lang lumaki ang ulo, lalo lang natuwa. KUBETA ART nga e papatulan nyo pa. Utak KUBETA e di nahawa kayo.
    3. Mga taga CCP. Sinarado nyo. Pabayaan nyo lang KUBETA art yan. Freedom of expression di ba.

    Sino lang ang tama? E di itong mga utak KUBETA na mga artists na nagprotesta sa pagsara. Tama sila, Tama kayo, maglabas pa kayo ng mga KUBETA ART. Bibigyan namin kayo ng total freedom para gumawa kayo ng maraming maraming KUBETA ART.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UNH5BQSJ6VAPCPKLLEKZWZWXB4 Nilo Abaya

    KUBETA ART ang tawag sa ginawa nya. Makikita yan sa mga toilet kaya di na bago. Yan ang pinaglalaban ng mga artists ngayon KUBETA ART. Pabayaan natin sila. Freedom of expression sa KUBETA ART nila.

    Ang CCP ngayon ay CUBETA CENTER OF THE PHILIPPINES, sentro ng mga
    tarugo, puke, vagina, condom, bayag. Mabuhay  freedom of expression OK.

    CCP,  CUBETA CENTER OF THE PHILIPPINES. Total freedom magsalsal ka, magkantutan kayo, magdrowing ka ng puke, bayag, yan ang lugar ng total freedom of expression . Walang pipigil sa iyo. Lahat pwedeng gawin.  kaya CUBETA CENTER OF THE PHILIPPINES.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VY25ZOHU3FJFFX6CYSH5W4AX3I sugbu

    okey lang naman yan sa sect ninyo…Kami Catholics,,iba rin.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VY25ZOHU3FJFFX6CYSH5W4AX3I sugbu

    astute and feeble arguments….check Law …if what it meant..

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BVDPLO3ZGZZGMPB76R3WDFU2AQ Red Eagle

    People were burnt at the stake in the middle ages for questioning the Church’s stand that the earth is at the center of the universe.  

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Christian-Henry-Lacson/1399484890 Christian Henry Lacson

    i agree of the “relativity” of all human standards, but we have to
    realize that we are living in a country and an era where the rule of the
    majority wins. this is very evident even in national elections, di nga
    bat ang nananalong kandidato e ang ibinoboto ng nkararami? though im
    against that idea, i have no choice because im with the minority. the
    difference between us though is that, im trying to live with it, while others remain crying over spilled milk.get real guys.ika nga eh “kung maiksi ang kumot, bumaluktot ka para ka kumasya, wag mo piliting i stretch ang kumot kundi masisira ito.” i know that i cant bring change
    to this “corrupt system” with only “myself” and “me” as my back-up. this
    is a bitter truth, yet our lives doesnt end by that fact. im just happy
    that i can live my life the way i wanted it to be.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZWTTKJTI57YO7TZBJC66GA2OLU dennis

    How do we describe a “World without Religion” and a “World without Arts and Science”?…How does it looks like?The answer might be FREEDOM.A Freedom with no boundaries that you can do anything that you want…A freedom with no pain and sufferings felt by human races.Or even an Art than can irritates Religion….Ok we all like Freedom because that´s the sweetest thing that can every human races want it to have….But wait,isn´t it also good to know about “How much is too much” Freedom?…Now,let me go back to my two(2) samples above.”World without Religion” means no respect at all and even respect to God.Not even stablishing good relationship with him.”World without Arts and Science” means you are nothing,empty,and your existence will remain dull.You are nothing better in compare to an existing insects,rats etc.Now what kind of Human you are if you don´t have boundaries and limitations in life?Religion,Arts and Science have different World and that describes it´s existing nature.Anyone who step or threading it´s boarderline is bad….And that describes limitations of Freedom!

  • Anonymous

    The Philippines was rich. History tells us that. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Christian-Henry-Lacson/1399484890 Christian Henry Lacson

    burned Joan of Arc, for alleged “witchcraft”.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

    I love how there are so many replies to this article, but so few actually seem to actually understand it.  Most seem to have copy/pasted their various ramblings on the subject from other threads.  Sugbu in particular appears to have decided this is a Twitter page (and while I’m at it, is there any chance of the Inq discussion people implementing an ignore function somehow?  I don’t particularly enjoy seeing entire pages of vapid one sentence posts.).

    That said, interesting article, though it points out what has to be considered a flaw in our society.  Artists should certainly be guaranteed autonomy and freedom to create what art they will within the boundaries of law.  One of the most vital roles of art, in my opinion, has always been the ability to challenge and to change a society’s beliefs.  That ability is obviously curtailed when artists are vulnerable to harassment whenever they create something the establishment doesn’t approve of.

    You’d think a country brought up being taught about Jose Rizal would be more sensitive to that.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

    That was pretty obviously politically motivated, to be fair.  Galileo would be a better example.

    Edit: this was meant to be a reply to Christian Henry Lacson regarding Joan of Arc.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

    I’ll take total freedom over life under the Catholic Taliban.

    And cubeta this, cubeta that, what are you, 12?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KVOHY4ZIRYKGSZOXDZ6TNWABDI Eric

    Art in our society has little choice but to patiently carve out a place for itself in a social environment that still regards artworks as marginal to human communication. A good part of this effort entails knowing how to balance assertion and restraint while strengthening its authority within its own domain. This rule of thumb applies to the other systems as well, including the more established ones—religion, politics, the mass media, law, the economy, etc. Their autonomy ultimately rests on their ability to position themselves in a differentiated society without provoking concerted intervention from the others.=> I think it is pretty clear, no?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

    That’s the thing: who defines these common sensibilities?

    To use the obvious example, Noli me tangere likely offended common sensibilities back in the day because you did not speak against the friars at the time.  Are you then saying that Rizal should not have written said book?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000090902668 Pat Bello

    people where burned at the stake for translating the bible from latin to the langguage that  people can understand. Also remember when the church opposes artificial insemination? How about the millions of jews that was executed and tortured by the church?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KVOHY4ZIRYKGSZOXDZ6TNWABDI Eric

    I think Mideo’s fault is in trusting the public too much in that he thought people would see beyond the images. He forgot that the Philippines is a country of bigots and religious fanatics. OR maybe he did not. That could be precisely what he had in mind, and he was out to challenge everyone to start thinking. Indeed, he has responsibilities, and one of which is to open the minds of those who would see his work. He forgot that he also has a responsibility to protect himself from harassment. OR, he could have been a complete jerk and mediocre, and painted lilies of the pond or an idyllic farm instead. He should have started with the premise that he would have the ignorant (bigots and fanatics) as the audience. :P

  • http://jaoromero.wordpress.com Jao Romero

    Randy David is a sociologist. most of his commentaries revolve around describing society’s problems, not really offering solutions to society’s woes. he tries to discuss the merits of both sides.

    in this case, his only point is that any system has to practice political savvy in order to co-exist with other systems and avoid being interfered in by those other systems.  

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5OC4T6FDZYN5RCVEAFH2YBMNSM Don

    “That ability is obviously curtailed when artists are vulnerable to harassment whenever they create something the establishment doesn’t approve of.”
    Jose, 

    I beg to disagree on this. Art is for a given society to judge, according to its standards. Otherwise, the work could be no more than as mundane as an everyday activity. It would be taken for granted.

    If society does not approve of it, it does not mean that Art’s ability to challenge whatever, is curtailed just because the artist is being harassed. Any artist should see it coming especially if what he/she does could offend a lot of people. 

    Few Masters have enjoyed the approval of society during their time, but I haven’t heard of them being harassed. Scoffed at or mocked maybe, but never harassed. Correct me If I am mistaken on this.

    We could ask ourselves why? My opinion to that is because they have mastered the art of subtlety in evoking emotions through their works. That’s where the difference lies. No brute-forcing, it just won’t work. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Paolo-Hernandez/100001326302694 Paolo Hernandez

    YOU WANT TO GET NOTICED AND BECOME A STAR OR FAMOUS? MAKE A CONTROVERSIAL ART THAT WOULD SURELY IRRITATES RELIGION AND GOVERNMENT. He is not conveying anything on his art, what he is trying to achieve is to put his name in the stage and whaalaahh he is famous as an artist. This is one way of getting the lights of the stage! Luma na yang style mo Mideo!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Paolo-Hernandez/100001326302694 Paolo Hernandez

    To Dodong Jose: If you are talking about curtailment of the ability to challenge and to change a society’s beliefs, then you go and live in Spratly Islands. I think there is no law there that governs the conduct of human beings. You read your CONSTITUTION. FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION IS NOT ABSOLUTE! PUT THAT IN YOUR MIND!

  • Anonymous

    Sabi nga ng isang kilalang personalidad sa ibang pahayagan: “Kung artista ka, at kahit ba hindi ka naniniwala kay Kristo, o kung naniniwala ka man, pero hindi ka rin sumusunod sa 10 commandments, OK lang! Walang problema! Pero ‘wag ka naman mangulangot sa publiko! Ang sagwa kc! Peks man!”

  • Rj Nieto

    Let me summarize Prof. David’s article:

    Mideo had all the right to do what he did, but the Filipino society is still too premature to understand it.

  • Anonymous

    If we censore displaying of flesh in EDSA billboards because of morality issues why not an art desecrating the central figure of Christianity where morality is rooting from?

  • http://www.facebook.com/marcitoedward Edward Marcito

    I always like Mr. David in taking up issues that certainly affects our society, especially within the realm of this culminating subject as portrayed by an artwork of the artist in the midst of this controversy. Art is important in our culture for it portrays the state of which our society now lies. Of course those who had been able to show their work at the CCP are not a mediocre artists, at least none of them are in such state. When Diego Rivera painted a mural that include merely a face  of Lenin it created an uproar that it had been removed at the Rockefeller Center in New York. To such extent, it was vehemently opposed and threatened. An artist has no choice but to put the images he seen in his imagination in a work that should be subjectively interpreted by his viewer. He merely mirrors what he seen in the society he mingles. If his works affected much of the society, he may touch its nerve, and if not he failed to deliver his message. The sad fact only is when his work shall be misinterpreted.

  • Anonymous

    visual arts  as in  painting  must  communicate messages with subtlety and patience. it must not be forceful.   its place in our society is not secure yet though it is slowly realizing it. it does not enjoy as much  freedom  as in  print and broadcast.  maybe the ff can explain why.  painting is more visual . pictures tell more than words. so when it offenses it offenses more gravely.     it is more permanent. words can be disowned in an instant but it isn’t the case with paintings.  so the  artist has to be careful of his output.  .  it is easier to please the viewers with creations that show pleasant imagery.  many productions cater to this need.  such is the expectation since then.  if an artist gets out of the norm and does not show any restraint in his output,  he would encounter troubles. some were brave enough to challenge the standard of the moment.  it took much time for their work to be appreciated. some were very fortunate that  their art  were  hailed as  masterpieces.   e.g. starry night of vincent van gough .  i wonder if mideo’s poleitism will have the same fate 100 years from now.   i doubt.

  • Anonymous

    ‘Art in our society has little choice but to patiently carve out a place for itself in a social environment that still regards artworks as marginal to human communication. A good part of this effort entails knowing how to balance assertion and restraint while strengthening its authority within its own domain. This rule of thumb applies to the other systems as well, including the more established ones—religion, politics, the mass media, law, the economy, etc. Their autonomy ultimately rests on their ability to position themselves in a differentiated society without provoking concerted intervention from the others.’
     
    Dear Prof Randy!!
    I am a UP graduate, but you are slightly older then me… and much more erudite and phylosophical!! That’s why you had always been a favorite… mahirap kang tapatan!! Let me attempt to simplify what you just said…”Art now… has little choice but to be very informed, perceptive and sensitive of the community it seeks to exist in!! They are mot asked to conform… merely effectively communicate (espress, if you like) their rather unusual uniqueness (or queerness)!!  Otherwise… they should accept and suffer the consequences of their lack of judgement and sensitivity!!”  In other words… Don’t be so stupid as to provoke ill will and negative response from the people you also wish to connect!!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5OC4T6FDZYN5RCVEAFH2YBMNSM Don

    “Their autonomy ultimately rests on their ability to position themselves in a differentiated society without provoking concerted intervention from the others.”
    When the exercise of that autonomy is out of bounds already that it encroaches on the other, then it is not right.

  • Anonymous

    … and so.  he too must suffer the consequences for failing to recognize the immaturity of his ‘society’ to his so called ‘Art’ !! So what are all these people trying to defend him for? He may be completely at peace with himself!!! He’s in his own world!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VY25ZOHU3FJFFX6CYSH5W4AX3I sugbu

    have you not read my post that without an arbiter,,we can’t arrived to the conclusion …you’re just a silly person ! are you not proud of our St.Lorenzo Ruiz….man,get real !..read all my post,,it might add some wisdom to your knowledge !

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VY25ZOHU3FJFFX6CYSH5W4AX3I sugbu

       refer to my postings from Spratlys to the arroyos…..i just react to issues that have consequenses on my personal life !

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VY25ZOHU3FJFFX6CYSH5W4AX3I sugbu

    thanks,bro.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VY25ZOHU3FJFFX6CYSH5W4AX3I sugbu

    and WHO IS MEDIO CRUZ to inculcate new standard of right and wrong …

  • Anonymous

    On a more serious note, Mr. David is talking about balance. Sa Tagalog, equilibrium. If we care to notice, the engineering design of the entire humanity is based on duality. Hence, ang thesis ni Mr. David, just try (not all the time naman), just try to be balanced, kung pwede lang? Bakit meron tayo predator and prey? Bakit hindi isang kind lang? Why do we sometimes become so good then suddenly we become so bad? Happy and sad? Greedy and generous? Even in math, the left variable equals the right variable? The equal sign is relevant. If we don’t have equality in an equation, we have a ‘problem’–find X. Food is both ‘good’ and ‘bad,’ so is medicine, so is sunshine, so is water, etc. Love can be good or bad. Sex is both good and bad. Kapag sumobra or nasira ang equilibrium, tiyak problema yan. May naka-isa, may naisahan!

  • war freak

    Irritated because Mideo’s message hit the idol worshippers bull’s-eye…. still they refuse to heed and prefer to be blind….. that’s why all they saw was the penis.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VY25ZOHU3FJFFX6CYSH5W4AX3I sugbu

    Mang Jose…arkilado ka seguro no ? for your information..I am a Criminologist,,i can tell when i see one and knews what i am talking about!!!!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OH7YWJKEITSY2E4LGMKRWRUFUU MAXPAIN

    Do
    Catholics Worship Statues?

    “Catholics worship
    statues!” People still make this ridiculous claim. Because Catholics have statues
    in their churches, goes the accusation, they are violating God’s commandment:
    “You shall not make for yourself a graven image or any likeness of anything
    that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the
    water under the earth: you shall not bow down to them or serve them” (Ex. 20:4–5);
    “Alas, this people have sinned a great sin; they have made for themselves
    gods of gold” (Ex. 32:31).

     

    It is right to warn people
    against the sin of idolatry when they are committing it. But calling Catholics idolaters
    because they have images of Christ and the saints is based on misunderstanding
    or ignorance of what the Bible says about the purpose and uses (both good and
    bad) of statues.

     

    Anti-Catholic writer
    Loraine Boettner, in his book Roman Catholicism, makes the blanket

    statement,

    “God has forbidden the
    use of images in worship” (281). Yet if people were to “search the

    scriptures” (cf. John
    5:39), they would find the opposite is true. God forbade the worship of
    statues, but he did not forbid the religious use of statues. Instead, he
    actually commanded their use in religious contexts!

     

    God
    Said To Make Them.

     

    People who oppose religious
    statuary forget about the many passages where the Lord commands the making of
    statues. For example: “And you shall make two cherubim of gold [i.e., two
    gold statues of angels]; of hammered work shall you make them, on the two ends
    of the mercy seat. Make one cherub on the one end, and one cherub on the other
    end; of one piece of the mercy seat shall you make the cherubim on its two ends.
    The cherubim shall spread out their wings above, overshadowing the mercy seat
    with their wings, their faces one to another; toward the mercy seat shall the
    faces of the cherubim be” (Ex. 25:18–20). David gave Solomon the plan
    “for the altar of incense made of refined gold, and its weight; also his
    plan for the golden chariot of the cherubim that spread their wings and covered
    the ark of the covenant of the Lord. All this he made clear by the writing of
    the hand of the Lord concerning it all, all the work to be done according to
    the plan” (1 Chr. 28:18–19). David’s plan for the temple, which the biblical
    author tells us was “by the writing of the hand of the Lord concerning it
    all,” included statues of angels. Similarly Ezekiel 41:17–18 describes
    graven (carved) images in the idealized temple he was shown in a vision, for he
    writes, “On the walls round about in the inner room and [on] the nave were
    carved likenesses of cherubim.”

     

    The
    Religious Uses of Images

    During a plague of serpents
    sent to punish the Israelites during the exodus, God told Moses to “make
    [a statue of] a fiery serpent, and set it on a pole; and every one who is
    bitten, when he sees it shall live. So Moses made a bronze serpent, and set it
    on a pole; and if a serpent bit any man, he would look at the bronze serpent
    and live” (Num. 21:8–9). One had to look at the bronze statue of the
    serpent to be healed, which shows that statues could be used ritually, not merely
    as religious decorations.

     

    Catholics use statues,
    paintings, and other artistic devices to recall the person or thing depicted. Just
    as it helps to remember one’s mother by looking at her photograph, so it helps
    to recall the example of the saints by looking at pictures of them. Catholics
    also use statues as teaching tools. In the early Church they were especially
    useful for the instruction of the illiterate. Many Protestants have pictures of
    Jesus and other Bible pictures in Sunday school for teaching children.
    Catholics also use statues to commemorate certain people and events, much as Protestant
    churches have three-dimensional nativity scenes at Christmas.

     

    If one measured Protestants
    by the same rule, then by using these “graven” images, they would be practicing
    the “idolatry” of which they accuse Catholics. But there’s no
    idolatry going on in these situations. God forbids the worship of images as
    gods, but he doesn’t ban the making of images. If he had, religious movies,
    videos, photographs, paintings, and all similar things would be banned. But, as
    the case of the bronze serpent shows, God does not even forbid the ritual use
    of religious images. It is when people begin to adore a statue as a god that
    the Lord becomes angry. Thus when people did start to worship the bronze
    serpent as a snake-god (whom they named “Nehushtan”), the righteous
    king Hezekiah had it destroyed (2 Kgs. 18:4).

     

     

    What
    About Bowing?

     

    Sometimes anti-Catholics
    cite Deuteronomy 5:9, where God said concerning idols, “You shall not bow down
    to them.” Since many Catholics sometimes bow or kneel in front of statues
    of Jesus and the saints, anti-Catholics confuse the legitimate veneration of a
    sacred image with the sin of idolatry. Though bowing can be used as a posture
    in worship, not all bowing is worship. In Japan, people show respect by bowing
    in greeting (the equivalent of the Western handshake). Similarly, a person can
    kneel before a king without worshipping him as a god. In the same way, a
    Catholic who may kneel in front of a statue while praying isn’t worshipping the
    statue or even praying to it, any more than the Protestant who kneels with a
    Bible in his hands when praying is worshipping the Bible or praying to it.

     

    Hiding
    the Second Commandment?

     

    Another charge sometimes
    made by Protestants is that the Catholic Church “hides” the second commandment.
    This is because in Catholic catechisms, the first commandment is often listed
    as “You shall have no other gods before me” (Ex. 20:3), and the
    second is listed as “You shall not take the name of the Lord in
    vain.” (Ex. 20:7). From this, it is argued that Catholics have deleted the
    prohibition of idolatry to justify their use of religious statues. But this is
    false. Catholics simply group the commandments differently from most
    Protestants.

     

    In Exodus 20:2–17, which
    gives the Ten Commandments, there are actually fourteen imperative statements.
    To arrive at Ten Commandments, some statements have to be grouped together, and
    there is more than one way of doing this. Since, in the ancient world,
    polytheism and idolatry were always united—idolatry being the outward
    expression of polytheism—the historic Jewish numbering of the Ten Commandments
    has always grouped together the imperatives “You shall have no other gods
    before me” (Ex. 20:3) and “You shall not make for yourself a graven
    image” (Ex. 20:4). The historic Catholic numbering follows the Jewish
    numbering on this point, as does the historic Lutheran numbering. Martin Luther
    recognized that the imperatives against polytheism and idolatry are two parts
    of a single command.

     

    Jews and Christians
    abbreviate the commandments so that they can be remembered using a summary, ten-point
    formula. For example, Jews, Catholics, and Protestants typically summarize the
    Sabbath commandment as, “Remember the Sabbath to keep it holy,”
    though the commandment’s actual text takes four verses (Ex. 20:8–11).

     

    When the prohibition of
    polytheism/idolatry is summarized, Jews, Catholics, and Lutherans abbreviate it
    as “You shall have no other gods before me.” This is no attempt to
    “hide” the idolatry prohibition (Jews and Lutherans don’t even use
    statues of saints and angels). It is to make learning the Ten Commandments
    easier.

     

    The Catholic Church is not
    dogmatic about how the Ten Commandments are to be numbered, however. The
    Catechism of the Catholic Church says, “The division and numbering of the Commandments
    have varied in the course of history. The present catechism follows the
    division of the Commandments established by Augustine, which has become
    traditional in the Catholic Church. It is also that of the Lutheran confession.
    The Greek Fathers worked out a slightly different division, which is found in
    the Orthodox Churches and Reformed communities” (CCC 2066).

     

     

    The
    Form of God?

     

    Some anti-Catholics appeal
    to Deuteronomy 4:15–18 in their attack on religious statues: “[S]ince you saw
    no form on the day that the Lord spoke to you at Horeb out of the midst of the fire,
    beware lest you act corruptly by making a graven image for yourselves, in the
    form of any figure, the likeness of male or female, the likeness of any beast
    that is on the earth, the likeness of any winged bird that flies in the air, the
    likeness of anything that creeps on the ground, the likeness of any fish that
    is in the water under the earth.”

     

    We’ve already shown that
    God doesn’t prohibit the making of statues or images of various  creatures for religious purposes (cf. 1 Kgs.
    6:29–32, 8:6–66; 2 Chr. 3:7–14). But what about statues or images that represent
    God? Many Protestants would say that’s wrong because Deuteronomy 4 says the
    Israelites did not see God under any form when he made the covenant with them,
    therefore we should not make symbolic representations of God either. But does Deuteronomy
    4 forbid such representations?

     

     

    The
    Answer Is No!

     

    Early in its history,
    Israel was forbidden to make any depictions of God because he had not revealed himself
    in a visible form. Given the pagan culture surrounding them, the Israelites
    might have been tempted to worship God in the form of an animal or some natural
    object (e.g., a bull or the sun). But later God did reveal himself under
    visible forms, such as in Daniel 7:9: “As I looked, thrones were placed
    and one that was Ancient of Days took his seat; his raiment was white as snow,
    and the hair of his head like pure wool; his throne was fiery flames, its
    wheels were burning fire.” Protestants make depictions of the Father under
    this form when they do illustrations of Old Testament prophecies. The Holy
    Spirit revealed himself under at least two visible forms—that of a dove, at the
    baptism of Jesus (Matt. 3:16; Mark 1:10; Luke 3:22; John 1:32), and as tongues
    of fire, on the day of Pentecost (Acts 2:1– 4). Protestants use these images
    when drawing or painting these biblical episodes and when they wear Holy Spirit
    lapel pins or place dove emblems on their cars. But, more important, in the
    Incarnation of Christ his Son, God showed mankind an icon of himself. Paul said,
    “He is the image (Greek: ikon) of the invisible God, the firstborn of all
    creation.” Christ is the tangible, divine “icon” of the unseen,
    infinite God. We read that when the magi were “going into the house they
    saw the child with Mary his mother, and they fell down and worshipped him. Then,
    opening their treasures, they offered him gifts, gold, frankincense, and
    myrrh” (Matt. 2:11). Though God did not reveal a form for himself on Mount
    Horeb, he did reveal one in the house in Bethlehem.

     

    The bottom line is, when
    God made the New Covenant with us, he did reveal himself under a visible form
    in Jesus Christ. For that reason, we can make representations of God in Christ.
    Even Protestants use all sorts of religious images: Pictures of Jesus and other
    biblical persons appear on a myriad of Bibles, picture books, T-shirts,
    jewelry, bumper stickers, greeting cards, compact discs, and manger scenes.
    Christ is even symbolically represented through the Icthus or “fish
    emblem.” Common sense tells us that, since God has revealed himself in
    various images, most especially in the incarnate Jesus Christ, it’s not wrong
    for us to use images of these forms to deepen our knowledge and love of God.
    That’s why God revealed himself in these visible forms, and that’s why statues
    and pictures are made of them.

     

     

    Idolatry
    Condemned by the Church

     

    Since the days of the apostles,
    the Catholic Church has consistently condemned the sin of idolatry. The early
    Church Fathers warn against this sin, and Church councils also dealt with the
    issue. The Second Council of Nicaea (787), which dealt largely with the
    question of the religious use of images and icons, said, “[T]he one who
    redeemed us from the darkness of idolatrous insanity, Christ our God, when he
    took for his bride his holy Catholic Church . . . promised he would guard her
    and assured his holy disciples saying, ‘I am with you every day until the consummation
    of this age.’ . . . To this gracious offer some people paid no attention; being
    hoodwinked by the treacherous foe they abandoned the true line of reasoning . .
    . and they failed to distinguish the holy from the profane, asserting that the
    icons of our Lord and of his saints were no different from the wooden images of
    satanic idols.”

     

    The Catechism of the
    Council of Trent (1566) taught that idolatry is committed “by worshipping idols
    and images as God, or believing that they possess any divinity or virtue
    entitling them to our worship, by praying to, or reposing confidence in
    them” (374).

     

    “Idolatry is a
    perversion of man’s innate religious sense. An idolater is someone who ‘transfers
    his indestructible notion of God to anything other than God’” (CCC 2114).
    The Church absolutely recognizes and condemns the sin of idolatry. What
    anti-Catholics fail to recognize is the distinction between thinking a piece of
    stone or plaster is a god and desiring to visually remember

     

    Christ and the saints in
    heaven by making statues in their honor. The making and use of religious
    statues is a thoroughly biblical practice.

     

     

    Anyone who says otherwise
    doesn’t know his Bible.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

    I don’t particularly care what you do in real life.  I would, however, like to direct your attention to the edit button at the bottom of your post.  You’ve posted four replies to my post, without anyone else saying anything and in the process cluttered up the page.  I do not like having to go through 7-8 of your posts every page, especially as they’re mostly void of any actual points.

    You’re asking if I’ve read your post about needing an arbiter?  No, I haven’t, because after skimming through a dozen or so of your poorly constructed posts, I’ve pretty much decided to just ignore them.  Now if you’d combined those dozens of posts into one with proper punctuation and grammar, then I might actually bother.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

    Ok, if you want to debate law, point me to the exact bit that indicates anything Cruz did was illegal.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

    In reply to Don:

    Few masters have been harassed?  Come on now.  Jose Rizal ring a bell? Literature is art as well, you know.

    And true, artists getting harassed doesn’t completelt prevent artists from influencing society, but we as a society shouldn’t be harassing people just because we disagree with their ideas in the first place.  However, you could actually argue that in this case the protests against the work actually helped Mideo Cruz influence people more, as before the furor I doubt anyone had actually heard about the exhibit.  Now it’s front page news.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

    Edit: Double post, admins please delete.

  • john nono

    “In the old societies, ‘it’ could only flourish by becoming the servant of
    the monarchy and the church…” oops.. another cruz’s indifference ;-) ‘it’ was not just as servant of the church. please… look at the works of art, the splendid baroque churches, the gothic cathedrals, to mozart, handel, the passions of bach, of giotto to maurice denis,, and so on.. whenever these things were created there’s truth.. an intuition you’re talking about that has capability of discovering the true creative center of the world, the importance of art and beauty, of divine spirit and human reason that does not end in experimental discoveries or positivism.. but rather find the Spirit of creation and therefore for a form of reason that is open as not something that is completely irrational… then we can live in the real beauty of truth.. (i never said cruz’s ugliness, but simply half-truth;-)

    as yo have written “(artist)..knows how to balance assertion and restraint while strengthening its authority within its own domain (as stated above)… the ability to position themselves in a differentiated society without provoking (“ignorance”) concerted intervention from the others.” that is wanting if not lacking and created a juvenile ‘boiling point’ or “Poleteismo’s”  obstruction of intuition   ;-))

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5OC4T6FDZYN5RCVEAFH2YBMNSM Don

    Jose ,

    I stated, “Few Masters have enjoyed the approval of society during their time, but I haven’t heard of them being harassed.”  You have totally misquoted me.

    Ah yes, Jose Rizal. Look at the subtle way he challenged the beliefs in his time as compared to other revolutionaries. That’s why his works are considered art as well. Not to depreciate the others who shed blood for the country, but what they did could not be called art, love for country or patriotism maybe, but definitely not art.

    Rizal could not have been harassed by the Filipinos at that time, the Spaniards did. The society in those times longed for freedom from the bondage of oppression.

    And yes, you are right Cruz’s work got its media mileage. But that doesn’t make it less ugly, does it?

  • john nono

    same with yo as yo only saw the penis of the institutions and the few  lol…

  • Anonymous

    We had too much ideology to the Roman Catholic teachings and they are now becoming the sole influencer of what Arts, Politics, and Law are good for the us and that is BAD!

    If Medio Cruz’s artwork will be allowable in other country such as Spain or Brazil that had also strong presence of the Roman Catholic Church, why will it not be allowable in the Philippines? 

    Is the international human right of freedom of expression not applicable to the Philippines? 

    Are judges giving their decisions base on people’s ideology or by means of scientific processes? 

                                                                                                                                                                                                 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5OC4T6FDZYN5RCVEAFH2YBMNSM Don

    Maxpain,

    I appreciate your post, it’s very informative and interesting. But it’s completely out of topic, no offense meant mate.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VY25ZOHU3FJFFX6CYSH5W4AX3I sugbu

    You mentioned Rizal….and you forgot that even Rizal in his genius mind could not tamed his temper,when he challenged you Jose Retana and Antonio Luna to a duel ! How did you fare,both of you ? You are a pretender without a tangible evidence of your existince ! How much good have you done to your brothers/sisters,to your family and to your country up until now? NADA!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VY25ZOHU3FJFFX6CYSH5W4AX3I sugbu

    have you been into a fight protecting the underdog ? NADA ?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VY25ZOHU3FJFFX6CYSH5W4AX3I sugbu

    16yrs.I’ve been toiling here in Tokyo and can even say that I don’t fit in to the ugly side of Philippine society because bad people like you are overwhelming !

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VY25ZOHU3FJFFX6CYSH5W4AX3I sugbu

    bumubula yan bibig mo sa kasasalita ngunit wala ka namang idudulot na kabutihan sa sociedad !

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VY25ZOHU3FJFFX6CYSH5W4AX3I sugbu

    pakita lang yan na wala kang ka background/background tungkol sa batas ! di ba sabi ko walang mananalo,kasi walang arbiter(doon sa korte,meron) LOSER !

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

    Misquoted?   I’m reading that again, and it looks to me that you’re saying that while only a few masters have enjoyed approval during their lives you haven’t heard of masters being harassed.  If you meant that in another way please enlighten me, but that’s how I interpret that sentence.

    Again, Rizal was a master, and he was most certainly harassed by his society.  The Spaniards (and the Church) at the time were certainly a part of society, just as the government (and the CBCP) are today.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

    …what on Earth are you talking about?

    Do you honestly think I’m Jose Retana? If so, I’d suggest seeking mental help.  I mean, really, what?

  • Anonymous

    Catholic Taliban?  saan mo naman nakuha yang idea na iyan.. fiction.. art?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

    I am fighting (so to speak) in the name of freedom of speech.  You are fighting on behalf of theocracy and oppression.  I think it’s pretty obvious which of those is better for society.

    I am also fighting in favor of a comments section that is easy to read.  That is also a good thing.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EXFI4EUGM23PQ4FMQKLVH36OXI Jose

    If there’s no law to charge him with, why would there be a court case?  ‘Politics’ is not a satisfactory answer.  Do you even know how the courts work?

    In any case, that question was directed at Paolo.  Please learn basic punctuation before replying.  Tip #1: Capitalize the first word of every sentence.

  • Anonymous

    CCP is a public place.  Wala kayong karapatan na gumawa ng kabastos-an doon.  Kung gusto mong makipag-bastosan kay mideo doon kayo sa bahay ninyo.. mag-express kayo ng freedoms ninyo hanggang gusto ninyo.

  • Anonymous

    Then why should we allow you or mideo or the people who share your thoughts impose on us your views?

  • Anonymous

    wala kaming nakikitang ganyang reflection.  siguro imagination mo lang yan

  • Anonymous

    Ang hilig mong mag-panggap na alam mo ang nasa isip ng RCC clergy.  Ang babaw

  • Anonymous

    Sabi mo live and let live, pero yung mga comments mo parang affected na affected.  Parang hindi maka-let go.  hahahaha

  • Anonymous

    Nagpa-panggap kang alam mo ang Catholic dogma.. ITIGIL MO YAN. 

    Ano alam mo sa dogma ng mga Katoliko?  Nagpa-papel de bobo ka ba o intentional na nainira?

    Sa Catholics, kung may feeling kang maging bakla, di namin hinuhusgahan iyon.. basta wag ka aaktong bakla.  (wag ka maki-pagtalik sa kapwa mo lalaki).

    Kung ayaw mo ito, eh di wag kang maging Catholic.  Ano problema mo dun?

  • Anonymous

    … my neighbor’s dog is a better artist…  the way he would poop and scatter it all over the floor.

  • Anonymous

    same thing

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_L36JQMLYXF4ZEYPMJO5LBHOXS4 David

    “What Mr. Cruz did was wrong. End of discussion.”

    I love it when people say “end of discussion” when clearly it’s not, especially given how many others still discuss this. Give it a few more days, though, then it’ll be the end of discussion when people find something else to talk about.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_L36JQMLYXF4ZEYPMJO5LBHOXS4 David

    “So what are all these people trying to defend him for?”

    Probably defending against people calling essentially to harm Mr. Cruz.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_L36JQMLYXF4ZEYPMJO5LBHOXS4 David

    It’s called metaphor.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_L36JQMLYXF4ZEYPMJO5LBHOXS4 David

    “I propose that a dialogue be started between the Church and the World of Art. Stop the attack and the insults. We are human beings capable of understanding and resolving our differences in peace.”

    That’s been tried and still trying. Look at the results so far, sigh.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_L36JQMLYXF4ZEYPMJO5LBHOXS4 David

    “Then why should we allow you or mideo or the people who share your thoughts impose on us your views?”

    Is anyone pointing a gun to one’s ahead to accept one’s views around here? Anybody?

    Some people at CCP happened to agree with Mr. Cruz’s views on his artwork that time. While not everyone agreed with it, no one’s forced to go see it.

    PDI also happens to allow people to post their views here, subject to their rules.

  • Anonymous

    bulls-eye?  —bulls-hit

  • Anonymous

    yes people are really becoming stupid because of too many teachings of religion.. ano ba religion mo? nagtatanong lang

  • shane oy

    Those who accuse Catholics as idol worshipers are stupid enough not to understand Catholicism yet here they are bashing as if they knew everything about being Catholic.
    I would like to believe that these people are frustrated on the apparent success of Catholicism in Philippine society. Others are also using religion or art to incite disharmony and hatred among Filipinos.
    For the people behind this, this is a great success they are laughing their hearts out now. They were able to create discord among us. For them art, Catholicism, respect, freedom of expression etc does not matter at all. The real objective is to create a noise, division, and hatred between and among members of the society.

  • arabuton ako

    Catholics always say that they don’t worship idols…

    Just a test…. Burn your graven images to show the proof!!  Kaya ba nyo???

  • John

    there is nothing said about lynching of Mideo. the most done to him is the request for stopping his exhibition, as this is very offensive. what he had done is his own responsibility with the Creator.

    as i had said, there is no discrimination for gays in RC, so therefore, there is no such TEACHING that being gay is immoral. sin is still a SIN even if committed by a straight male or female.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_L36JQMLYXF4ZEYPMJO5LBHOXS4 David

    “and WHO IS MEDIO CRUZ to inculcate new standard of right and wrong …”

    Who says he is? He’s not forcing that on anyone, any more than some people are judging him to be a demon or so and wishing or wanting some harm to befall him.

    Heck, obviously he can’t force anyone to see his exhibit back then. Might be a good idea not to, anyway, if you’re only going to cause material damage and/or harm to someone who did nothing wrong to you except maybe offend your sensibilities.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_L36JQMLYXF4ZEYPMJO5LBHOXS4 David

    “btw, as our national artists say, his work was not art.”

    So far I only saw F. Sionil Jose say his work isn’t art. Who else?

    If those other national artists agree with Mr. Cruz, will they be pilloried as well?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_L36JQMLYXF4ZEYPMJO5LBHOXS4 David

    CCP wasn’t really broadcasting the entire exhibit to the public until a TV crew took videos for a report they did on that.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_L36JQMLYXF4ZEYPMJO5LBHOXS4 David

    Double post. Kindly erase please.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SOF6TDTNTBOQ5GHOJTGGFRVB3Y Kristine

    Jose said that because his stand is from a Modern Fictionist view.

    The good thing about having all the major newspaper opinion columns give their takes on this is that we, as readers, could judge for ourselves. Like Jose and David, they write what they know: as Fictionist and Social Scientist, respectively. So in comparison with Cruz, his take on polytheism comes also from what he knows, as an artist.

    Moreover, there are several types of artists, and their art (and style) is different from one another. Although Jose is a revered national artist, he’s a creative writer/ artist, not a visual artist. We should learn to look at where these people are coming from, what their profession is, to understand their opinions.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Simon-Jaring/100001072073145 Simon Jaring

    who gave medio the liberty or freedom? the constitution? but the freedom that Jesus offer is freedom from the slavery of sin. the very vein of our being is corrupted with sin, our society, our institution, our constitution is tainted with corruption. corruption is a disease that festering our nation, how then can medio get his right from a corrupt constitution? the bible is telling us, it is for freedom that Jesus Christ set us free, therefore do not use liberty to do evil.

  • Anonymous

    This is wrong. If I understand you correctly, you’re saying that art may do as it likes to assert its automony and flex its muscles, even if that means being gratuitously provocative. Two problems with this. Firstly, art is not a thing. It is not an object, empirical or transcendental. It’s simply the name we give to subjective and subliminal expressions of truth. As such, it is not the function of art to be gratuitously provocative. Similarly, the right to free expression is a not a right to be gratuitously provocative. It is not a charter for wind-up merchants. It is a right to express sincerely held beliefs as to truth. Even if art was about being gratuitously offensive, that does not mean it can abuse the right to free expression. In a modern republic, we are subject to constitutionalism (rights) and democracy (values), not some reified invisible hand of art.

  • http://www.facebook.com/cerilo.magpatoc Cerilo Magpatoc

     Mideo must be sensitive enough to be an artist. Let us put an example, how about if we will use Mideo or your picture as an exhibit and place penis on your forehead with condom etc.. Do you think you will not be hurt with that? An art should be something that will have meaning, worthy, be easily understand by simple people in our society. Something that will not provoke the majority of innocent people in our Philippine society. He who has done such immoral thing must be someone who is defective and insensible to the society.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MJCN27L74QLOELVDVIP4V5M544 pinoynusa

    If the court accepts a court filing to go to trial, it means the plaintiff have successfully identified and supported a legal basis for the lawsuit. Once the court have submitted an indictment, the defense will have no choice but to submit itself to court. There are already court filings suing Mideo Cruz and the CCP.

    Huwag mong hulaan kung walang basehan sa batas, hintayin mo ang ‘outcome’.

    Mideo Cruz’ cohorts kept on telling that his rights were violated. If his rights were violated, why doesn’t he have the balls to file a lawsuit to uphold his rights? The only explanation why he did not do anything yet is that he is not interested. In a way, he vacated his option to uphold his rights, at least, for the meantime. Or, he may just be a plain coward or a bullshitter. Anyways, Mideo Cruz’ cohorts can’t file a case on his behalf coz his cohorts can never prove damage.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MJCN27L74QLOELVDVIP4V5M544 pinoynusa

    Today, they have the law and court system to protect them. They get invited in public forums as well. You guys are overly dramatic.

    You guys are like theater people trying to write a medieval play in the year 2011.

    You are like the boy who cried ‘wolf’. Always wanting attention. Always wanting sympathy. Always wanting the rush of sensation.

    You want a picture of a victim of medieval proportions. This isn’t the medieval times anymore. Grow up.

    Mideo Cruz is no Galileo nor a Copernicus.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MJCN27L74QLOELVDVIP4V5M544 pinoynusa

    Obviously, he got the term from the Philippine Star editorial writer and media mercenary, William “Billy” Esposo. Billy Esposo is the brother Carol MacGregor Esposo Espiritu, the CCP board member who went along with Emily Abrera in overruling the majority vote of the board of directors of the CPP.

    It’s truely getting ugly, newspaper people are now resorting to name calling.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MJCN27L74QLOELVDVIP4V5M544 pinoynusa

    They are saying now they’re victims of the Inquisition by the Catholic Talibans. Of course, this is with the courtesy of Billy Esposo, the lead Philippine Star media mercenary. LOL.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MJCN27L74QLOELVDVIP4V5M544 pinoynusa

    clear.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MJCN27L74QLOELVDVIP4V5M544 pinoynusa

    Cruz is no Rizal. Rizal had conviction and foresight in the very beginning. He didn’t have enough money but he had the support of his friends. He published his works in Germany and not in the Philippines. His following was in Europe and only when that it gained acceptance that he involved the intellectuals in the Philippines.

    Also, Rizal’s work are not direct blatant words towards the friars. Rizal’s Noli and Fili had literary characters that can only be understood through critical thinking. There is no phallus in the forehead of the friars in his work. His work has subtleness. In fact, Rizal had support from many friars for his works.

    Cruz has a juvenile mindset when he created his work. Anybody can offend; you don’t need to be an artist to offend somebody. Putting a phallus on somebody’s image is as juvenile as putting rabbit fingers on somebody’s back. And Cruz did offend. Cruz didn’t offend just the powerful. He offended the street vendor, the drivers, blue collar workers, etc. You make it sound like all offensive actions are meant to change society; and cutting on offensive actions is bad for society.

    Nationally recognized artists who commented on Cruz’ work said: “he has not limited his imagination”, “lacks subtleness” and “juvenile and immature”. I consider all those comments valid.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MJCN27L74QLOELVDVIP4V5M544 pinoynusa

    That’s what your fundamentalist christian churches tell you. You must be looking for new members to your church. ‘Prey’ on somebody else.

    Honestly, you sound like you’re wanting to get that 10 per cent from somebody’s income.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MJCN27L74QLOELVDVIP4V5M544 pinoynusa

    Why don’t you just identify yourself with your real name and your real club affiliation? Anyways, you are Brian ‘Red’ Tani of Filipino Freethinkers, a Filipino organization of atheists, agnostics, deists, right?  I’ve been tracking the activities of your group since the issue came out. Obviously, your group find it really easy to ‘prey’ on the situation so you can further your organization’s goals. You love to piggyback on the issue even with the most unintellectual notions you have about religion. In fact, your strategy is just to criticize the Catholic Church and Catholics so you can maximize media mileage right? So, if you’re not Brian Tani. I apologize; I threw sensitiveness and subtleness out the door for a moment. Hey, I’m just trying to make society honest and I do have the right to free speech right?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MJCN27L74QLOELVDVIP4V5M544 pinoynusa

    You’re atheist right?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MJCN27L74QLOELVDVIP4V5M544 pinoynusa

    Kaya pala. Marc Anthony Biay ay miembro din ng Filipino Freethinkers. Para palang asong lobo na nagkakampihan sa discussion page sa INQ. Kung matino kayong tao, dapat magsabi kayo kung magkakampihan lang naman kayo na parang mga bata para manalo sa isang laro. Mga ‘bully’ lang kayo at gusto ninyo maniobrahin itong INQ comments section para maisiwalat ninyo paniniwala ninyong hindi ‘mainstream’. Gusto pa ninyo kaming lokohin na nag-iisip kayo para sa sarili ninyo. Wala din kayong ipinagkaiba sa ibang religion – wala lang kayong diyos. Ikaw, Red Tani, ang ‘pari’ ng Filipino Freethinkers; si Marc Anthony ang miembro ng Filipino Freethinkers. (Meron pa akong ibang alam) Magkano ang membership fee ninyo aber? Ilang beses kayo mag-meeting sa isang buwan? Pati iyong forum sa CCP noong Aug 5 pinasok ninyo para makapagsalita kayo ng masama sa simbahan ng mga Katoliko. Huwag na kayo magkaila. Marami na naggagawa sa computer ngayon. Pati paghahanap ng information tungkol sa inyo ay madali na lang.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MJCN27L74QLOELVDVIP4V5M544 pinoynusa

    Iyan ba ang turo sa inyo sa ‘Ang Dating Daan’?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MJCN27L74QLOELVDVIP4V5M544 pinoynusa

    ano tawag mo sa twittering, facebooking, computer gaming? consumerism din iyon di ba?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MJCN27L74QLOELVDVIP4V5M544 pinoynusa

    They like the sound of ‘lynching’ coz it is sensational and dramatic. Makes them sound more like a victim. Atheist, agnostics, fundamentalists and cultists are trying to squeeze a lot out of the issue.

    The environment has changed. Pop libertarian ideas seem to want to go to ‘mainstream’.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MJCN27L74QLOELVDVIP4V5M544 pinoynusa

    Nanggigigil kasi ang mga Filipino Freethinkers sa issue na ito. Pagkakataon nga naman para makapag-advertise ng libre. LOL.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MJCN27L74QLOELVDVIP4V5M544 pinoynusa

    Si Brian ‘Red’ Tani ng Filipino Freethinkers iyang kausap mo. Search mo sa youtube keywords ‘Filipino Freethinkers’ at ‘CCP Forum Aug’. Makikita mo din kung paano nila hinayjack ang CCP forum noong Aug 5.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MJCN27L74QLOELVDVIP4V5M544 pinoynusa

    Napapahiya na iyan kasi lider siya ng Filipino Freethinkers at marami siyang kampon dito.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MJCN27L74QLOELVDVIP4V5M544 pinoynusa

    Why don’t you ask your Catholic neighbors or acquaintances? See their response in person. LOL.

  • Anonymous

    i made a mistake i thought was replying to jose but you pala.
    ________________________________

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MJCN27L74QLOELVDVIP4V5M544 pinoynusa

    Harassed by the CBCP?!!! How? By speaking on a microphone?! Even during the CCP forum, all the religious leaders and elders were respectful of Mideo Cruz (MC). The religious leaders and elders didn’t even think it was the fault of MC. They blame the CCP board of the directors. So, their only request was to close the one particular artwork of MC.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MJCN27L74QLOELVDVIP4V5M544 pinoynusa

    The issue is subtleness. You can’t force the society to accept a new idea especially as sensitive as religion. Even, art itself as a medium of communication is still not an established. You cannot just shock society and not expect a bad reaction.

    Just to illustrate; should you say marijuana is good and then smoke marijuana in public without public acceptance? People will definitely take offense if you smoked marijuana in public although some may it is okay. Some parents may take offense because they don’t want the imagery to affect their children.

    What’s so wrong if Catholics were shocked? They have the right to take offense because it is not society’s norm.

    The issue is not about force. It is about subtleness.

  • Anonymous

    please read ‘true artists challege aesthetics,not attack religion’ of eduardo castrillo for enlightenment on what ccp is meant to be.

  • Anonymous

    was there an exclusivity sign?

  • Anonymous

    christ did not attempt to rock  the roman empire.  in one occasion he even said that give caesar what is due him. the romans became afraid of him because of the large following he was having lest the parable teachings to a multitude of crowd become a ground for insurrection.   he was crucified by the jews themselves because they thought he was a big let down to them.  accordingly he was not the savior they expected.



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